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Raised in the Two by Twos Cult (2x2, The Truth) - Kari and Kyle Hanks Pt. 1 | Ep. 2008
Kari & Kyle Hanks share their journey of leaving the secretive 2x2 church, a religious group with no official name, written doctrine, or corporate structure. They discuss their upbringings, struggles with faith, the exclusivity of the religion, and the trauma they endured. From discovering the church’s hidden history to creating a support group for ex-members, they expose abuse scandals, strict doctrines on women, and emotional suppression within the group. Their deconstruction was influenced by the Mormon Stories Podcast, COVID-19, and personal revelations about belief, identity, and autonomy. Now, they advocate for informed consent and support those leaving high-control religions.Show NotesYouTube00:00:00 Introduction00:02:40 Kari & Kyle introduce themselves and the Two by Twos group00:14:04 They do not have a written doctrine, it is all word of mouth00:21:59 The founding of Two by Two - founded by William Irving00:28:28 It wasn’t until 1905 that the group started preaching exclusivity00:37:52 Irving is kicked out of the church, although some still stay loyal to him. Another splinter group.00:49:50 Three meetings a week01:00:46 Background of their theology/doctrine01:09:02 Discussion of Heaven & Hell01:17:04 Kari’s background in the church01:23:17 Growing up as a 2x2 girl01:30:30 How does the group refer to themselves?01:38:43 Never having the language to describe her feelings or sexuality01:42:09 Higher education was discouraged for many, especially women01:54:17 Emotional manipulation in high demand religions02:24:47 2x2s very politically conservative, but are not typically involved politically02:27:08 When did she start to think she was in a cult?Mormon Stories Thanks Our Generous Donors!Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today:One-time or recurring donation through DonorboxSupport us on PatreonPayPalVenmoOur Platforms:YouTubePatreonSpotifyApple PodcastsContact us:[email protected] Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117Social Media:Insta: @mormstoriesTikTok: @mormonstoriespodcastJoin the Discord
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Mormon Church Employee Speaks Out about SECRET Membership Committee! w/ Kate Lyn Whitaker | Ep. 2007
After five years of reflection, Kate opens up about her journey growing up in a strict Mormon household, serving a mission in Argentina, and working for the LDS Church. She shares pivotal moments of doubt, her experiences in church administration, and the troubling realities she uncovered in the Confidential Records department. From questioning church discipline policies to witnessing firsthand how the institution handles abuse cases, Kate's story reveals the struggles and insights that ultimately led her to leave the church. Join us as she discusses faith, disillusionment, and life after Mormonism.Show NotesYouTube00:00:00 Beginning00:03:40 Kate Lyn’s Mormon story begins 00:10:20 Confessing "sins" to her bishop00:16:44 Decides to serve a mission00:30:37 Hardest parts of mission00:39:58 “Golden investigator” on mission was con man00:47:33 Started working for the church00:49:00 Worked with high level leaders01:14:25 People trying to steal from the church01:18:53 Confidential Records department01:22:46 Reading about bad things in the discipline documents 02:13:12 Becoming PIMO (physically in mentally out"02:15:56 Woman excommunicated for sleeping with her bishop at 14 years old02:24:37 “I don't think I would have left the church, if I didn’t work for the church”02:39:40 On Mormons who look down on peopleMormon Stories Thanks Our Generous Donors!Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today:One-time or recurring donation through DonorboxSupport us on PatreonPayPalVenmoOur Platforms:YouTubePatreonSpotifyApple PodcastsContact us:[email protected] Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117Social Media:Insta: @mormstoriesTikTok: @mormonstoriespodcastJoin the Discord
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Why Mormon Women Are Leaving the Church - Jared Halverson Meltdown | Ep. 2006
On March 12, 2025, Church educator and BYU professor Jared Halverson released an Instagram short where he stated: “One of the statistics that has worried me the most of late, comes from a survey that was done in 2023 and it’s suggesting that for the first time that I can think of, more women are leaving religion than men are.” Is this true? Why are more women leaving Mormonism than men are? Join us today as we gather with Katie Rich (author of Fifty Years of Exponent II), Amy McPhie Allebest (of the Breaking Down Patriarchy YouTube channel), and Abby Maxwell Hansen (who was threatened with excommunication for her profile on Ordain Women in 2013 and an Exponent II blogger since 2019), as well as writer and columnist Jana Riess to discuss this growing phenomenon.Jared Halverson is an associate professor of Ancient Scriptures and served for over 20 years in the Church Education System. Halverson earned his BA in History and MA in Religious Education. He has been a featured speaker in devotionals as well as in academic settings. He is the host of the YouTube channel and podcast titled “Unshaken.”You can view Jared Halverson’s original video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TevsIrw1nqsShow Notes: https://www.mormonstories.org/why-are-women-leaving-the-mormon-church/
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Top 5 Mormon Problems Exposed by Jerald and Sandra Tanner (w/ @Nemothemormon) | Ep. 2005
Today we are re-introducing Sandra Tanner to a new generation of Mormons, exMormons, and never-Mormons. Both Sandra and her husband Jerald have strong Mormon backgrounds. When he was only eighteen, Jerald began to have doubts about his faith. When they began dating, Sandra Tanner also began to doubt. Throughout the 60s, 70s and 80s Jerald and Sandra Tanner were among the first to begin publishing on the problems with Mormon history and its truth claims. They opened a bookstore called the Utah Lighthouse Ministry and began publishing their research. Today we are going to talk about their discoveries on topics such as changes to the Book of Mormon, the problems with the Book of Abraham translation, the Kinderhook plates, how the Church covered up problematic parts of its history, and how they impacted hundreds of people in and out of the Mormon church. You won’t want to miss this episode!Show NotesYouTube00:04:00 Topics we are going to cover today00:05:24 Changes to the text of the Book of Mormon00:25:40 The usage of the seer stone and an “exact” translation00:32:00 The Book of Mormon as a revelation rather than a translation 00:33:45 Problems with the Book of Abraham translation00:49:12 The Church came up with the Catalyst Theory00:54:00 The Kinderhook Plates issues01:14:10 Other “Cover-ups” that the church has done01:28:00 Nephi vs. Moroni 01:31:55 Changes to D&C01:38:10 Discussion of Michelle Stone’s claims & Sandra’s response01:54:55 “We felt the obligation to set the record straight”01:59:00 How does Sandra respond to critics that say she should continue to deconstruct Christianity02:25:20 ConclusionMormon Stories Thanks Our Generous Donors!Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today:One-time or recurring donation through DonorboxSupport us on PatreonPayPalVenmoOur Platforms:YouTubePatreonSpotifyApple PodcastsContact us:[email protected] Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117Social Media:Insta: @mormstoriesTikTok: @mormonstoriespodcastJoin the Discord
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Why I Stay Mormon in 2025 - Proving Contraries w/ Dave McKenzie | Ep. 2004
After being inspired by the Mormon Stories Paul brothers episode, Dave courageously shares his powerful journey through faith, family struggles, and self-discovery. From his upbringing in a traditional Mormon household to navigating complex questions about church history, LGBTQ+ issues, and personal loss, Dave's story is one of resilience and hope. He reflects on his brother's tragic passing, his evolving beliefs, and why he ultimately chooses to stay active in the church today. Tune in for a heartfelt conversation about faith, doubt, and finding meaning through it all.Show NotesYouTube00:03:12 Dave’s intention for coming on Mormon Stories00:08:03 Dave’s mormon story begins - explaining family background00:13:41 Story of backpacking with his brother and having an accident00:24:46 Dave’s mission to Warsaw, Poland00:34:50 Life after his mission - dating and marriage01:01:05 Dave’s experience with a Roman Catholic woman that inspired him - introduced him to interracial marriage01:13:30 Dave thought “If I remain silent now, I am a hypocrite to my own testimony” (regarding his friend leaving the church)01:21:04 Why do we call it going down the rabbit hole when it is actually coming out into the light?01:45:00 “Does God help amputees?” argument02:00:50 “There has to be recognition that what we were taught was not the truth”02:17:30 Why John Dehlin does Mormon Stories02:46:17 Elder Holland “greatest missionary of all time” experience02:59:55 Dave discusses the Book of Mormon03:36:44 Dave’s younger brother, Dan, passed away in 202303:44:19 What are the main reasons that he chooses to stay active in 2025?04:01:26 What is his response to the fact that the church does a lot of harm to people as well? How does he personally work through this04:11:30 Dave feels that there are real advancements being made in the church currently04:20:24 ConclusionMormon Stories Thanks Our Generous Donors!Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today:One-time or recurring donation through DonorboxSupport us on PatreonPayPalVenmoOur Platforms:YouTubePatreonSpotifyApple PodcastsContact us:[email protected] Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117Social Media:Insta: @mormstoriesTikTok: @mormonstoriespodcastJoin the Discord
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