Warfare of Art & Law Podcast

• AI & IP Panel Discussion: A Global Perspective

  Send us a textShow notes:3:00 David Newhoff - question of authorship7:15 Peter Wasilko9:00 Andres Guadamuz - blog post on AI copyright authorship10:30 China’s focus on “intellectual achievement” 12:20 Section 9(3) of its Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 13:00 Emily Gould - whether copyright is fit for purpose 13:30 UK joint evidence session on the future of AI and copyright law 17:15 Newhoff - use of an artist’s style 18:40 Wasilko - an artist’s training of a model with its own work20:15 artist's post-stroke gen-AI recording from model training on his work21:00 Salles Bruins' question on definition of intellect 25:40 - Ankit Sahni -  China’s protection28:30 Sahni - India’s position on creativity falls in the middle 29:00 Ankit Sahni - RAGHAV output “Suryast” 33:45 Ankit Sahni - protection of AI-assisted works by China’s courts 35:00 Wasilko - hypothetical of photographing sunsets on VR headsets36:50 Ankit Sahni - USCO’s case by case basis37:50 Newhoff - what is actually protectable against infringement39:30 Sarony decision: looking at human choices used to create photos41:00 Newhoff - ‘authorship by adoption’ is a “bridge too far”42:15 Salles Bruins - question about training in Wasilko’s hypothetical43:10 Wasilko - “bridge too far”-requiring license to “learn” from works48:00 Stanford’s CodeX Group - talk on product JudgeAI 50:30 Andres - human creativity exists irrespective of copyright 52:00 Salles Bruins - copyright is a tool to enable artists to profit 53:30 Kritika Sahni - defining intellect dependent on AI context 54:50 Ankit Sahni - sui generis system of registration 58:45 Gould - applying a right like copyright to output  "tough" to get right1:02:00 Guadamuz - Ukraine’s sui generis right for AI works 1:03:45 Jason Jean - defining intellect 1:08:50 Newhoff - unconvinced that it’s a “sui generis question”1:09:30 Wasilko - whether inputting human work makes model “assistive”1:13:00 question of global copyright approach1:17:15 what is the end game?Please share your comments and/or questions at [email protected] by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at [email protected]. Thanks so much for listening!© Stephanie Drawdy [2025]

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• AI, Copyright and Justice - A Conversation with Copyright Lawyer Anja Neubauer

  Send us a textTo learn more, please visit Anja Neubauer's site.Show Notes:1:30 background in the law and tech 4:45 overview of global framework “AI and Authorship Redefined: Towards a Global Copyright Framework for Commerce and Human Originality - Exploring Ownership, Infringement, Moral Rights, and Human Originality”12:35 question of authorship19:35 moral rights26:30 viability of global copyright 28:20 issues of injustice raised by AI34:30 German study about developers’ infringement38:00 public’s choice to lock up data 39:00 The Congress Please share your comments and/or questions at [email protected] by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at [email protected]. Thanks so much for listening!© Stephanie Drawdy [2025]

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• Art/Cultural Heritage/IP Law Attorney & Musician Leila Amineddoleh - a 2ND Saturday Conversation

  Send us a textTo learn more, please visit Amineddoleh & Associates LLC and view Leila Amineddoleh performing Chopin Polonaise, Op. 26, No. 1 and Liszt Liebestraum No. 3.Show Notes:1:00 Amineddoleh’s background and work in music and law4:00 Patty Gerstenblith 7:00 building Amineddoleh & Assoc.8:45 Amineddoleh's work with Greece 10:00 perspective as musician aids in work as attorney to other artists 11:00 Amineddoleh's experience with plagiarism 14:20 Amineddoleh’s practice15:45 Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act19:50 artists’ perspectives in hiring an attorney 22:50 Jerry Alonzo: what brings artists to seek out Amineddoleh26:00 return of golden coffin of Nedjemankh 31:45 use of AI 36:30 AI-assisted Beatles song 37:45 analogy of photography to AI outputs38:20 Japanese photographer Hiroshi Sugimoto 39:45 suit over copyright of monkey selfie 41:45 Thaler v. USCO 44:30 Rupali Gujral: negotiating on a client’s behalf48:30 Stefania Salles Bruins: history of art collecting52:30 Bruins: Amineddoleh's balancing of legal and musical practices54:00 Amineddoleh’s perspective on sharing her music and performing56:30 Liszt’s Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2  played by Bugs Bunny 57:20 Amineddoleh’s performance of Chopin Polonaise, Op. 26, No. 1 and Liszt Liebestraum No. 3 59:00 under-appreciated composer Brahms 1:01:20 injustices in art law1:04:30 Amineddoleh’s definition of justice - access1:06:00 John Cage’s 4’33” Please share your comments and/or questions at [email protected] by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at [email protected]. Thanks so much for listening!© Stephanie Drawdy [2025]

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• Researcher, Writer & Advisor Frances Liddell on the Intersection of Emerging Tech, the Arts & Culture

  Send us a textTo learn more, please visit Frances Liddell's site.Show Notes:0:00 Frances Liddell on justice and technology1:30 Liddell’s background2:50 CryptoKitties 3:50 NFTs5:20 ORAgen & DECaDE research centre 7:20 C2PA 8:15 tokenized rights9:45 ORA use cases10:30 themes from ORA interviews12:15 YouTube as a supportive platform v. TikTok13:00 smart contracts and licensing15:00 perspectives on attribution 16:30 Emily Gould question on attribution24:50 animation sector with stronger preference for attribution not open source 26:45 interviews revealed uncertainty on data scraping29:50 lack of awareness about the environmental impact of blockchain31:50 repatriation and blockchain and her work as associate research fellow with Art & Antiquities Blockchain Consortium34:50 Balot NFT - Balot sculpture in Virginia Museum of Fine Arts 37:30 ORA project status38:15 ORAgen Fables39:00 recommendations for creatives: to review C2PA & Content Credentials41:00 Gould: responses during interviews about copyright concerns 45:30 location of individuals interviewed47:20 impact of tech on issues of injustice - benefits/concerns surrounding decentralization 50:40 current work with ORA51:30 Oluwatobi AlukoPlease share your comments and/or questions at [email protected] by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at [email protected]. Thanks so much for listening!© Stephanie Drawdy [2025]

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• IP and Tech Attorney Ankit Sahni on the RAGHAV AI Painting Tool and "Suryast" Copyright Registration Efforts in India, Canada & the US

  Send us a textShow Notes:1:00 Anki Sanhi 1:45 Sahni’s background and work 5:00 Eric Raymond’s The Cathedral and the Bazaar - essay on open source development 6:40 association with the arts7:45 trademark enforcement work10:00 infringement case between client working in fashion space sued by global brand12:30 origin of the Raghav project16:45 process to use Raghav18:30 Van Gogh’s Starry Night 21:00 Raghav = Robust Artificially Intelligent Graphics and Arts Visualizer 21:45 Indian copyright application for “Suryast”25:40 Section 2(d) of Indian Copyright Act, definition of author 34:30 Canadian copyright application for “Suryast”35:35 Notice of Application filed in Canadian Federal Court by Samuelson-Glushko Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic (CIPPIC)  against Sahni over “Suryast” 37:10 US copyright application for “Suryast” 37:35 Sahni’s US Counsel, Alex Garens, Esq. with Day Pitney 38:00 USCO decision on “Suryast” 43:30 India’s definition of ‘author’ - no qualifications 46:50 Parliamentary Standing Committee recommended creation of new right for AI works per Sahni’s recommendation47:05 February 2024 -  Union Minister of State Commerce in India’s Parliament submitted that there is no need for creation of a new right and current legislation offers sufficient protection 48:45 ambiguity in Canada law on AI 49:40 USCO’s Request for Comments52:00 Sanhi’s position of need for amendment of US law to address AI53:50 Optimus 54:50 Definition of justice56:30 global harmonized principles on AI57:30 injustice of humans unknowingly competing against AI due to historic suppression of AI use59:00 Sahni’s intent to contribute to the change in law to address AI1:00:00 consultation with Ryan Abbott, Esq. 1:00:50 Future projects 1:02:20 shaping issues where art and law intersect1:03:30 cultural impact of the debate over human authorship, AI and art1:04:30 comparison of photography to AIPlease share your comments and/or questions at [email protected] by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at [email protected]. Thanks so much for listening!© Stephanie Drawdy [2025]

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