Dave Gerhardt (Founder of Exit Five, former CMO) and guests help you grow your career in B2B marketing. Episodes include conversations with CMOs, marketing lead...
#211: Growth | The Future of GTM and Sustainable Growth with Chris Walker, CEO at Passetto
In this episode, Dave is joined by Chris Walker, CEO of Passetto, and a prominent voice on LinkedIn, where he has been pushing the boundaries of B2B marketing for years. Chris shares actionable insights and tactics on social media strategy, what has changed in marketing over the last five years, and how to build effective feedback loops and flywheels.Dave and Chris also cover:The future of GTM and the evolving role of the CMOWhy sustainable growth is the only path forwardThe transformative role AI will play in B2B marketingTimestamps(00:53) - - Intro to Chris Walker
(04:31) - - Managing different perspectives on social media
(09:03) - - The ROI of podcasts and social media engagement
(14:26) - - Why real-time feedback loops are valuable
(20:01) - - Shifting from "growth at all costs" to sustainable growth
(25:51) - - Rethinking marketing measurement and ROI
(33:52) - - Splitting marketing teams: strategy vs. pipeline creation
(40:57) - - How AI is reshaping B2B marketing teams
(49:02) - - Chris’s approach to creativity and focus
(53:47) - - Predictions for the future of B2B marketing
(55:25) - - Outro
Send guest pitches and ideas to [email protected] the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Paramark. You’ve heard it before – every B2B marketer’s top pain point is marketing attribution. It’s complicated, messy, and too often leads to fights with your CRO over whose lead deserves credit.That’s where Paramark steps in. Their platform makes it simple to understand what’s driving results (and what isn’t) with tools like marketing mix modeling and incremental testing. No more relying on outdated click attribution or chasing UTM links. Instead, Paramark gives you actionable insights across channels, campaigns, and geographies to help you grow.Paramark's founder & CEO Pranav has been in your shoes as a B2B marketer. He’s so passionate about solving this problem, he’s offering listeners a free brand assessment. Pranav will personally analyze your brand’s performance and share his insights—an opportunity you don’t want to miss.Slots are limited, so act fast. Head to paramark.com/brand-consult to claim your spot. Trust us, this is worth your time.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more
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#210: Strategy | Building a Marketing Operating System with the Team at Tenon (Ben Person, CEO & Co-Founder, Jessica Skovira, VP Marketing, & Hannak Rankin, Growth Marketing Manager)
In this episode, Dave is joined by the team at Tenon to go behind the scenes of B2B marketing. They talk about the marketing operating system -- specifically: how to organize your 2025 campaigns, align your team, and stay laser-focused on what matters most. You’ll learn how top marketers are using work management tactics to simplify the complexity, free up time for high-value work, and boost team performance—all while showing your boss the real impact of marketing.Dave and the Tenon team cover:The importance of aligning marketing goals with overarching business objectives to drive meaningful resultsHow to create a marketing operating system that prioritizes clarity, efficiency, and flexibilityPractical frameworks and templates for planning campaigns, managing tasks, and adapting to company needs and changesTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to the Tenon Team
(05:48) - - How to Think About Your Marketing Strategy Challenges
(11:44) - - Framework for Building a Marketing Operating System
(16:22) - - Why You Should Align Marketing with Business Goals
(19:16) - - How to Ensure Campaign Alignment with Marketing Goals
(23:43) - - Why Proactive Planning Is Key
(30:25) - - How to Simplify Your Marketing Processes
(37:27) - - Leadership Strategies
(41:53) - - Tenon’s Tools for Success
(46:08) - - Aligning Brand Goals and Business Objectives
Send guest pitches and ideas to [email protected] the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Paramark. You’ve heard it before – every B2B marketer’s top pain point is marketing attribution. It’s complicated, messy, and too often leads to fights with your CRO over whose lead deserves credit.That’s where Paramark steps in. Their platform makes it simple to understand what’s driving results (and what isn’t) with tools like marketing mix modeling and incremental testing. No more relying on outdated click attribution or chasing UTM links. Instead, Paramark gives you actionable insights across channels, campaigns, and geographies to help you grow.Paramark's founder & CEO Pranav has been in your shoes as a B2B marketer. He’s so passionate about solving this problem, he’s offering listeners a free brand assessment. Pranav will personally analyze your brand’s performance and share his insights—an opportunity you don’t want to miss.Slots are limited, so act fast. Head to paramark.com/brand-consult to claim your spot. Trust us, this is worth your time.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more
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#209: Content | B2B Content Strategy, Distribution Tactics, and Organic Social with Ross Simmonds, Founder and CEO at Foundation & Distribution.ai
Dave is joined by Ross Simmonds. Ross is the Founder & CEO of Foundation, a content marketing agency that strategizes, distributes, and optimizes content for some of the most successful SaaS companies in the world and works as partners for multiple publicly traded cloud companies that have redefined entire industries. They share lessons they both learned on their content journeys and discuss things like:Prioritizing search as a distribution channelWhy social followers are not a vanity metricUsing and enabling the sales team for content distributionHow to repurpose your most popular contentTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro
(01:52) - - Underrated Content Strategy for B2B
(02:07) - - SERP and Mindshare Domination
(02:07) - - ChatGPT and Closing Thoughts
(02:12) - - Search as a Distribution Channel
(02:12) - - Why We're Doubling Down on X
(02:27) - - Adjusting Your Tone with the Times
(02:32) - - Why Followers Aren't a Vanity Metric
(02:33) - - How to Repurpose Popular Organic Social Content
(02:47) - - An Easy Content Distribution Tactic
(02:48) - - The Sales Team as a Distribution Channel
Send guest pitches and ideas to [email protected] the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Paramark. You’ve heard it before – every B2B marketer’s top pain point is marketing attribution. It’s complicated, messy, and too often leads to fights with your CRO over whose lead deserves credit.That’s where Paramark steps in. Their platform makes it simple to understand what’s driving results (and what isn’t) with tools like marketing mix modeling and incremental testing. No more relying on outdated click attribution or chasing UTM links. Instead, Paramark gives you actionable insights across channels, campaigns, and geographies to help you grow.Paramark's founder & CEO Pranav has been in your shoes as a B2B marketer. He’s so passionate about solving this problem, he’s offering listeners a free brand assessment. Pranav will personally analyze your brand’s performance and share his insights—an opportunity you don’t want to miss.Slots are limited, so act fast. Head to paramark.com/brand-consult to claim your spot. Trust us, this is worth your time.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more
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#208: Drive | How To Build A B2B Community with Dan Cmejla, B2B Community Expert
This episode is from Drive 2024, our first-ever in-person event for B2B marketers in Burlington, Vermont. Dan Cmejla, B2B Community Expert and former VP of Community at Apollo and Chili Piper, shared actionable frameworks and three phases for building impactful B2B communities that drive brand growth and customer engagement.Dan covers:How community marketing transforms brands by turning customers into primary distribution points for your story.Why it’s important to map influence spaces and leverage customer relationships.Strategies to build a scalable advocacy journey that turns customer love into measurable business outcomes.Timestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Dan
(07:03) - - Community Marketing Transforms Brands
(10:11) - - Defining “Community” and “Community Marketing”
(11:51) - - Community Phase 1: Build Baseline Presence Across Spaces that Hold Relevant Influence
(22:51) - - Community Phase 2: Differentiate Presence Everywhere by Building more Brand Distribution Points
(36:12) - - Community Phase 3: Build Amazing Spaces That Hold Influence
(37:12) - - How to Determine your Community Strategy?
(37:42) - - How to Evangelize Across Communities?
(38:42) - - Q&A
Send guest pitches and ideas to [email protected] the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Paramark. You’ve heard it before – every B2B marketer’s top pain point is marketing attribution. It’s complicated, messy, and too often leads to fights with your CRO over whose lead deserves credit.That’s where Paramark steps in. Their platform makes it simple to understand what’s driving results (and what isn’t) with tools like marketing mix modeling and incremental testing. No more relying on outdated click attribution or chasing UTM links. Instead, Paramark gives you actionable insights across channels, campaigns, and geographies to help you grow.Paramark's founder & CEO Pranav has been in your shoes as a B2B marketer. He’s so passionate about solving this problem, he’s offering listeners a free brand assessment. Pranav will personally analyze your brand’s performance and share his insights—an opportunity you don’t want to miss.Slots are limited, so act fast. Head to paramark.com/brand-consult to claim your spot. Trust us, this is worth your time.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more
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#207: Strategy | Jason Lemkin on What Makes a Great VP Marketing in SaaS, Working with the CEO, and Lessons from SaaStr
Dave is joined by Jason Lemkin. Jason is the founder of SaaStr, the world’s largest community of SaaS executives, founders, and entrepreneurs. Before SaaStr, Jason founded EchoSign, which was sold to Adobe in 2011.They discuss:Why Jason started SaaStrWhat makes a great VP of Marketing in SaaS and how to hire oneHow tech and SaaS have changed since 2020CROs vs CMOsImportance of alignment between the CEO and marketing teamTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro
(07:26) - - Understanding the Importance of Revenue Goals
(10:50) - - Evolving Motivations and Changing Perspectives
(14:56) - - From Solopreneur to Founder: The Journey of Exit Five
(18:52) - - The Challenge of Transitioning from Solopreneurship
(20:51) - - Insights into Jason's Content Creation Process
(23:35) - - Efficiency in writing: a five-minute rule
(30:34) - - LinkedIn: A Haven for Text-Based Writers
(32:00) - - LinkedIn's Good Community and Marketing Potential
(36:36) - - Importance of Building Relationships in Business
(41:21) - - Marketing Essentials: Brand, Field, Demand, Growth
(43:58) - - Finding the Right Fit: Aligning Marketing Roles with Company Vision
(47:03) - - Finding Alignment: The Role of Marketing in Company Leadership
(51:15) - - CROs and Marketing
(54:04) - - Balancing Heads: Sales, Marketing, and Post-Sales in SaaS Leadership
(57:24) - - Event Planning
(59:19) - - SaaStr: Connecting Founders and Revenue Professionals
Send guest pitches and ideas to [email protected] the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Paramark. You’ve heard it before – every B2B marketer’s top pain point is marketing attribution. It’s complicated, messy, and too often leads to fights with your CRO over whose lead deserves credit.That’s where Paramark steps in. Their platform makes it simple to understand what’s driving results (and what isn’t) with tools like marketing mix modeling and incremental testing. No more relying on outdated click attribution or chasing UTM links. Instead, Paramark gives you actionable insights across channels, campaigns, and geographies to help you grow.Paramark's founder & CEO Pranav has been in your shoes as a B2B marketer. He’s so passionate about solving this problem, he’s offering listeners a free brand assessment. Pranav will personally analyze your brand’s performance and share his insights—an opportunity you don’t want to miss.Slots are limited, so act fast. Head to paramark.com/brand-consult to claim your spot. Trust us, this is worth your time.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more
Dave Gerhardt (Founder of Exit Five, former CMO) and guests help you grow your career in B2B marketing. Episodes include conversations with CMOs, marketing leaders, and subject matter experts across all aspects of modern B2B marketing: planning, strategy, operations, ABM, demand gen., product marketing, brand, content, social media, and more. Join 5,000+ members in our private community at exitfive.com.