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    EXTENDED COGNITION & PARTICIPATORY SENSE-MAKING - Rebecca Todd PhD #90

    30.06.2026 | 1 godz. 41 min.
    How separate is the cognition in our heads from cognition with our bodies, our tools, our communities and our ecosystems? What is participatory sense making and why is our world becoming less and less disposed to doing it? What does connecting cognitively with the world beyond our own bodies do for our sense making, and so for the future of our species?

    In this episode we have the intriguing topic of extended cognition to explore, and in particular the field of participatory sense-making. So we get into the extended component of the 5E’s model of embodied cognition; how our technologies, including AI, are much more influential on our cognition than mere tools that we set aside after use; we talk about our co-dependence on the natural world, and what happens to cognition and our society when our sense of “kinship” with it is lost; And we get into detail on the crucial process of participatory sense making, and how important it is to arrive to consensus rather than getting bogged down in polarisation, which in turn allows us to decide on urgent solutions as a species.

    Fortunately these are the exact specialisations of our guest, psychologist, cognitive scientist and philosopher at the University of British Columbia, Rebecca Todd. With a background also in neuroscience, she’s authored nearly 100 academic papers, whilst her substack hosts her much loved writings for the general

    What we discuss:
    00:00 Intro.
    06:05 Extended cognition defined.
    08:45 Distributed cognition - Edward Hutchins.
    09:00 Attention, learning and memory are all distributed.
    10:00 Can we identify the cognitive boundary between self and other?
    14:30 Heidegger’s warning about undermining the influence of technology.
    17:00 We give our tools too much credit.
    19:00 Large Language Model’s effect on extended cognition.
    23:00 Individualistic, extractive, competitive motivations for technology.
    24:00 Self AS relationship rather than IN relationship - Dr. Yuri Celidwen.
    28:10 Non-verbal communication.
    29:46 Feedback loops between nature and our minds.
    33:50 Connection to nature and mental health.
    37:20 Belonging and ‘kinship’ with the natural world.
    39:45 Objects can have personality - Object personality Synesthesia.
    44:20 Risk of appropriation, when applying indigenous ideas of ‘belonging’.
    46:50 The ‘Trim Tab’ analogy — small interventions can lead to big changes in direction, Greg Watson.
    53:15 Participatory Sense-making explained.
    57:30 Shifts happen before and after moments of synchrony.
    59:30 Conditions required for participatory sense-making.
    01:02:20 The 4 R’s: Reciprocity, Respect, responsibility and relevance.
    01:03:05 Neurodivergence: bridging the way we see the world differently.
    01:12:15 The new lack of bandwidth for complexity and nuance - information overload.
    01:15:30 Creating the time and space needed to do participatory sense-making.
    01:19:30 Food together is a magical ingredient.
    01:23:30 Openness and listening can be trained.
    01:24:20 Is consensus necessary.
    01:29:10 Tolerance of diversity rather than unified consensus.

    References:
    Beck Todd Substack, “Towards an ecology of mind”
    Andy Clarke and David Chalmers, “Extended Cognition” paper
    Edward Hutchins - Distributed Cognition paper.
    Fernando Rosas - Statistical boundaries between agents.
    Karen McClean - SPIN Lab (human-robot interactions through the sense of touch)
    Shirley Turcotte - Indigenous Focusing-oriented Therapy (IFOT)
    “Participatory Sense-making with the More than Human World” With Yuri Celidwen.
    An interview with Dr. Greg Watson - Ex US agricultural minister
    Hannah De Jaegher & Ezequial Di Poalo, “Participatory Sensemaking, An enactive approach to social cognition”.
    V.J .Kirkness, “First Nations and Higher Education: the four 4’s”
    “The Multiplicity of Worlds” with Penijean Gracefire et al.
    Ed Young, “An immense world”
    “Community Out of the Ashes” with Eli Oda Shina.
    Gabor Mate, “In the realm of hungry ghosts - Encounters with Addiction”
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    SPACE PSYCHOLOGY EXPLAINED - Iya Whiteley PhD #88

    15.06.2026 | 3 godz. 3 min.
    What can psychologists do the make pilots and astronauts’ decision making better under duress? Can we anticipate the psychological issues of planned long distance space missions to Mars? How can we shift the  shame culture for pilots and astronauts around reporting unidientified anomolous phenomena?

    In this episode we have the unique field of Space psychology to look into; So we discuss the psychology of military pilots and astronauts working under such extreme conditions; and the intuitive skill sets developed under such high pressure, split second decision situations; we discuss the cognitive engineering required to match the design of instruments to the cognitive needs of the pilots and astronauts; we get into alternatives methods of expertise exchange apart from the usual text book approach which have had extraordinary decision making results for pilot and astronaut performance. We also discuss the issues for pilots around reporting of UFO encounters, and the implications for space psychology of the new bout of main stream interest following the New York Times 2017 expose of military incidents.

    So who better to help us understand the minds of pilots and astronauts than space psychologist, cognitive engineer, astronaut instructor and Director of the Centre of Space Medicine at UCL in London, Dr. Iya Whitely. She’s helped design training programs and conducted studies for the European Space Agency, The Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Centre in Russia, and presented he research for the USAirforce and Nasa. Dr. Whitely is also a pilot, rescue scuba diver and competitive sky diver! She’s written 11 scientific papers, and three books, “Toolkit of a Space Psychologist, to support astronauts on exploration missions to the moon and mars”, “Earth Designs” for toddlers, and her new book “Born Knowing”, which we get onto at the end.

    What we discuss:
    00:00 Intro.
    05:30 Iya’s path into Cognitive Engineering.
    18:35 Decision making research.
    28:00 Iya’s method led to 200/cent increase in decision making speed.
    21:40 Professional intuition.
    43:00 Surgeon expertise transmission study
    55:45 Astronaut psychology - Alexei Leonov, first space walk near-disaster, 1965.
    01:06:00 ESA human, long-distance space flight study.
    01:13:00 Nature solves problems using resources available locally - Biomimetics, Dr Olga Bogatyreva.
    01:27:10 Mars 500: 520 day simulated Mars mission trial.
    01:31:30 Space colonisation psychology.
    01:40:40 Difficulty reintegrating with terrestrial society after missions to space.
    01:43:00 “The Overview Effect” when earth is seen from space.
    01:50:30 Taboo around reporting of anomolous phenomena for pilots and astronauts.
    01:53:15 Ryan Graves is speaking out in congress about repeated UFO safety concerns.
    02:01:00 Astronauts can’t risk to speak about this as it will affect their careers.
    02:13:00 Navy have implemented a new reporting protocol and office, AARO.
    02:21:30 Iya at the Sol Foundation: Garry Nolan & Diana Pasulka.
    02:29:30 Pilot Jake Baba - reporting issue with the phenomena.
    02:39:10 Telepathic autistic children, called ‘spellers’. Diane Hennessy Powell research.
    02:47:00 These telepathic kids are also interracting with non-human intelligences.
    02:51:15 Non-verbal communication with toddlers.

    References:
    Iya Whiteley, “Born Knowing”.
    Iya Whiteley & Olga Bogatyreva, “Toolkit for a space psycholgist”.
    Iya Whiteley, “Earth designs” toddlers book.
    Gary A. Klein - professional intuition book “The Power of Intuition".
    Dr Olga Bogatyreva - ‘Biomimetics - its practice and theory’.
    Frank White, “The Overview Effect”.
    Whitley Strieber, “Communion”.
    Rick Srassman, “DMT The Spirit Molecule”.
    All domain Anomoloy Resoltions Office, AARO.
    2024 Paper on the UAP reporting system 
    Occupational Safety and Reporting Guidance: Reviewing UAP ...
    Sol Foundation of Garry Nolan at Stanford, Scientific UAP research.
    Ky Dickens, Telepathy Tapes podcast and documentary film.
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    REIMAGINING OUR POST-COLONIAL PSYCHOLOGY - Bayo Akomolafe PhD #87

    31.05.2026 | 1 godz. 12 min.
    How has colonialism shaped our western psychology? How can we reimagine our post-colonial psychology, before we wipe ourselves out? What is the role of the trickster archetype in the disruption of such a well-established and dominant world view?

    In this episode we have the tricky topic of trying to re-orientate our post-colonial psychology. So we’re going to be looking into the reasons why we might need to do that, following the influence of the west’s military-industrial rise to power over the last 250 years, and the post scientific revolution’s predominantly reductionist, philosophy of science; we’re going to be considering the consequences of such a view of humanity and the natural world; and crucially what elements we might invite back into our psychology, to perhaps set humanity back onto a path of harmony with its own species and its habitat, before it destroys itself. To do this we’re going to be exploring the possibility that the dualistic, black and white separation of ideas into binary truth or falsehood; and right or wrong, is a big part of the problem; exploring how the complexity of systems, and the nuance of their relations goes far beyond the simplified duality of human thought; and we’ll get into how when seen in that simplified binary way, the debate often degenerates into a mud slinging distraction from the underlying issues that continue to thrive un-checked and often grow worse. 

    Fortunately, our guest today is a master of this topic: professor of psychology, philosopher, writer, post-activist and executive director of the Emergence Network, Bayo Akomolafe. He is the author of the books, “These wilds beyond our fences”, “We will tell our own story”, and many beautiful essays which you can find on his website. A new book on his work, “Selah: A Bayo Akomolafe Reader” is out now.

    What we discussed:
    00:00 Intro.
    07:10 The importance of mythopoetry.
    08:15 The story of Goddess Freya obsessively protecting her son Baldur.
    11:15 The imperviousness of modernity: Artificial control, order and optimisation.
    13:00 The trickster as chaos in the order, the inevitable impossibility within possibility.
    12:45 Accomodation theory - counter logic is baked in to logic. 
    15:15 Our safety delusion and the impossibility of control.
    16:15 Antiseptism - our sterilising divorce from the world. 
    17:20 Noticing the ‘disability’ of western psychology.
    18:20 Psychology is colonial policeman, but it’s breaking down.
    21:30 Therapy is not the only way to face dysfunctionality.
    21:55 Trauma is a good example of unity within opposites: Old shame tag swings to become an accolade of status.
    23:30 In pushing against the wall you become the wall.
    26:40 A third way bursting out of the opposites: The Gods of the fault-lines.
    31:00 Post activism: moving beyond the action/reaction duality.
    35:00 Move from speaking truth to power, to opening up to “power with”.
    40:15 White guilt will not make up for whiteness.
    43:50 Whiteness is a practice we do, not a biological trait: Fred Moten.
    44:10 Privilege is not a thing you have, it has you.
    50:20 How post enlightenment reductionism combined with leveraging fear of the unknown forms neo-colonial psychology.
    50:30 The coddling of the western mind: control, optimise and complete.
    54:15 Fear of death, disconnection from ancestry, and the west’s “sickness of the soul”.
    01:00:00 We need new sacralities and rituals.
    01:01:45 A warning not to oversubscribe too much to our conceptual constructs and images.
    01:04:40 If we can language things too easily we might be missing the point.
    01:08:00 A mass disabling event: the handles of white modernity are collapsing.
    01:08:45 The myth of Erysicthon, and the hunger curse.

    References:
    Bayo’s website of writings
    “Selah: A Báyò Akómoláfé Reader”
    Bayo Akomolafe, “These Wilds Beyond Our Fences”,
    Wendy Holloway quote: “Psychology is the policeman of capitalism”.
    Fred Moten idea, “Whiteness is a practice”.
    Malidoma Patrice Somé, “Of Water and the Spirit”.
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    THE TEEN BRAIN EXPLAINED - Jennifer Pfeifer #86

    14.05.2026 | 1 godz. 11 min.
    Are our preconceptions about teen behaviour true? What can we learn from the psychology and neuroscience of teen development to help support them rather than blame them? Are mobile phones and social media responsible for the jump in youth mental health issues?

    In this episode we have the topic of the adolescent brain to get the up to date science on. So we’re going to be testing our preconceptions about teenagers, and comparing the evidence base from research, to what we’ve come to believe through friends, family and heresay. So, we get into the development of the brain during puberty; just what behaviour hormones are and aren’t responsible for; whether the late completion of the frontal cortex, responsible for self control and reasoning, affects their ability to make important decisions; the consequences of social connection circuits developing for their sense of belonging or exclusion; the alarming rise in mental health issues among young people over the past 15 years, and whether the research supports recent claims that digital devices and social media are largely responsible.

    Fortunately to navigate these choppy waters we have the co-director for Center for Translational Neuroscience at the University of Oregon and the co-director of the National Scientific Council on Adolescence, Jennifer Pfeiffer. She is the author of over 150 scientific papers on the neuroscience and Psychology of adolescence, puberty, social cognition and teen mental health and self regulation. She is on a mission to use science to change our narratives about the adolescent brain which she explains in her excellent new TED X talk, “The surprising science of adolescent brains”.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr8VVJRcRSg

    What we discuss: 
    00:00 Intro
    06:11 Need to shift the narrative about teens.
    12:10 Puberty Vs Adolescence. 
    16:25 Preconceptions about teen development.
    17:00 Impulsive and risk taking (1st preconception).
    17:50 Frontal cortex not complete before 21/22 yo. (Executive reasoning)
    19:50 So called “Bad decisions” could be just from an adult point of view.
    21:40 Environmental factors deeply influence teen cognitive function.
    26:00 Interested only in friends, not in family relations, (2nd preconception).
    30:40 Teen brains mirror adults in the home.
    35:45 They love to break rules and push boundaries, (3rd preconception).
    36:40 Testing limits and failing integrates learning.
    39:50 Hormones make them emotionally vulnerable and erratic, (4th preconception).
    46:22 Trivialise fear of fitting in, missing out, and exclusion, (5th preconception).
    49:30 Fear of exclusion research.
    51:10 They’re more likely to become addicted to persuasive technologies, (6th preconception).
    55:10 Metanalyses show a %15 increase risk from social media.
    56:25 %300 increased risk when there are parents with mental health problems.
    57:25 %150-200 increased risk from bullying.
    59:25 Factors in doubling of youth mental health issues.
    01:03:00 Recommendations for technology and young people.
    01:08:00 Advice to avoid blaming and shaming teens.

    References:
    Jennifer Pfeifer, TED X talk, “The surprising science of adolescent brains”.
    BJ Casey,  Kristina Cause, ‘The Teenage Brain: Self Control’.
    Laurence Steinberg, ‘Cognitive and affective development in adolescence’
    Roy Baumeister, “Negativity Bias” CC Interview.
    Jonathan Haidt - “The Anxious Generation”. 
    National Scientific Council on Adolescence report “What science tells us adolescents need online”.
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    THE NEUROSCIENCE OF DMT - Andrew Gallimore PhD

    30.04.2026 | 1 godz. 57 min.
    How are DMT experiences neurologically different to hallucinations? How does DMT alter the world modelling of our brains? What evidence is there that the brain is receiving information on DMT rather than modelling it?
    In this episode we have the extraordinary neuroscience of DMT to discuss, one of the most powerful mind altering substances on the planet. We discuss the history of research into its effects; relevant neuroscience; research into the mystical experiences it induces; the statistical significance of repeated, highly specific yet unearthly places and entities reported by experiencers across eras and cultures; experiments that extend the DMT experience for longer periods of time; the metaphysical implications if any; and finally we consider the mind bending possibility that the otherworldly creatures and realities experiencers repeatedly encounter could be actual realities connecting with our brains via DMT.
    Fortunately to navigate these mysterious results and ideas, we have chemist, computational neuroscientist and author Andrew Gallimore as our guide. Gallimore has written 16 scientific papers and three books including, “Reality Switch Technologies: Psychedelics as Tools for the Discovery and Exploration of New Worlds”, “Alien Information Theory: Psychedelic Drug Technologies and the Cosmic Game”, and his brand new book, “Death By Astonishment, confronting the mystery of the world’s strangest drug” which we’ll be focussing on in this episode.
    What we discuss:
    00:00 Intro.
    08:30 How DMT binds to the brain.
    09:50 Receptors are like a cell’s perception organs.
    14:25 The cascading of electrical patterns across neurones.
    16:50 The big differences between DMT and 5meoDMT.
    18:50 Hierarchical structure of model processing. Wilder Penfield, 1950’s.
    26:20 Primary visual cortex stimulated even with eyes closed - fMRI DMT research.
    32:20 Hallucinating schizophrenics don’t have the same activity in the primary visual cortex.
    34:25 Evidence that DMT users are accessing information rather than hallucinating.
    42:50 DMT forms and entities are not like the terrestrial biosphere.
    50:00 High DMT levels in neo-natal rats.
    52:30 Sasha Shulgin - Chemist inventor of 230 psychedelics.
    59:30 Mystical experiences and their effects.
    01:09:00 The default mode network and self/other distinction.
    01:14:00 Extended state DMT intravenously - experiments.
    01:19.00 Mental health applications of DMT.
    01:25:30 Is DMT a communication technology?
    01:28:26 The science of ayahuasca brew recipes.
    01:32:30 The possibility that non-human intelligence is the source of these experiences.
    01:38:00 Common messages and themes in DMT experiences.
    01:40:00 Similarities between DMT and non-human entity experiences?
    01:48:00 A cosmic game - Andrew’s metaphysical model.
    01:53:00 Can we test these information theoretic approaches?
    References:
    Andrew Gallimore, “Death by Astonishment, Confronting the Mystery of the World's Strangest Drug”.
    Andrea Alamia, Chris Timmermann et al, “DMT alters cortical travelling waves"
    Jordi Riba et al.- “Effects of the South American psychoactive beverage ayahuasca on regional brain electrical activity”
    David Lawrence - DMT Entity quantitive study, CC interview.
    Stephen Szára - Hungarian chemist DMT experiments
    David Foulkes - Children’s dreams evolve in complexity as they get older.
    Alexander “Sasha” Shulgin - Chemist, inventor of 230 psychedelics.
    Mystical Experience and improved mental health meta analysis
    Extended State DMTx - Noonautics
    Psychelic retreat centre - Eleusis
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The curious person’s guide to all things mind! Have you ever wondered how it is that your thoughts and feelings relate to the grey matter in your head? How space and time came to be out of nothing? How what life means to us influences our day-to-day struggles with mental health? In conversation with experts in physics, psychology, neuroscience and philosophy, Chasing Consciousness will take you to the very fringes of reality and share with you the groundbreaking discoveries that are dramatically changing the way we relate to the world, the future, and our own minds.
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