The #1 Hack to Build Apps With AI Without Getting Stuck | Colin Matthews
My guest today is Colin Matthews.
Colin is a rockstar instructor who teaches a popular AI Prototyping for PMs course on building AI apps without coding skills. In our interview, Colin shared how to pick the right AI prototyping tool, what you should do before asking AI to code, and how to build a habit-tracking app step by step in just 20 minutes.
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Timestamps:
(00:00) Do this before asking AI to code
(01:13) How to pick the right AI prototyping tool
(05:50) Choosing AI tools for client, server, and database
(10:49) Building a habit-tracking app step by step(14:02) Always start with the data model
(22:08) Top mistakes to avoid with AI prototyping
(27:14) Should you still learn to be technical with AI?
(32:13) Avoiding the 70% problem and getting stuck on bugs
(33:59) How to learn to code through AI prototyping
Get the takeaways: https://creatoreconomy.so/p/the-number-one-hack-to-build-with-ai-without-getting-stuck
Where to find Colin:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/colinmatthews-pm/
Get $100 off Colin's prototyping course: https://maven.com/tech-for-product/ai-prototyping-for-product-managers?promoCode=peter100
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Inside Suno, the AI Music App You Won't Be Able to Stop Listening To | Mikey Shulman (Suno)
My guest today is Mikey Shulman.
Mikey is the CEO and co-founder of Suno, the best AI music app available. I’ve had so much fun using it to make songs with my kids. In our chat, Mikey shares how music LLMs work, how Suno builds AI products, and the good and bad futures of music with AI.
Timestamps:
(00:00) The good and bad futures of AI in music
(03:41) How Suno's music AI actually works
(07:31) Building for personalization without losing humanity
(10:34) Turning text into actual songs
(14:06) Product iteration in uncharted territory
(20:37) Core principles for building AI products
(25:06) How streaming changed everything
(31:35) What's next for AI music in 2025
(32:51) Navigating product management in AI
Get the takeaways: https://creatoreconomy.so/p/inside-suno-the-ai-music-app-you-wont-stop-listening-to-product
Where to find Mikey: X: https://x.com/MikeyShulmanWebsite: https://suno.ai/
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The 5 Hidden Rules Behind Successful AI Products | Chris Pedregal (Granola)
My guest today is Chris Pettigrew.
Chris is the co-founder and CEO of Granola, an AI meeting notes app that has become indispensable to me. Granola has 70%+ weekly user retention, almost unheard of for consumer AI. In our interview, Chris shared five hard-won rules for building AI products that users love and explained why AI will fix meetings.
Timestamps:
(00:00) The #1 mistake you can make when building AI products
(01:35) The difference between big tech PM and startup founder
(06:22) Why Chris decided to use AI to solve meetings
(09:26) Don't solve problems that won't be problems soon
(12:44) How can you predict what LLMs can do in the future
(19:09) Why context is king for great AI products
(23:56) How to give your AI product a soul
(28:43) When to listen to user feedback and when to trust your gut(31:39) Closing advice for people who want to build AI apps
Get the takeaways: https://creatoreconomy.so/p/the-hidden-rules-behind-successful-ai-products-chris-pedregal
Where to find Chris:
Website: https://www.granola.ai/
X: https://x.com/cjpedregal
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The AI Skill That Will Define Your PM Career in 2025 | Aman Khan (Arize)
My guest today is Aman Khan.
Aman is the Director of Product at Arize AI. Last year, we both heard the Chief Product Officers of OpenAI and Anthropic share that AI evaluations will be the most important skill for PMs in 2025. Aman gave me a crash course on how to build this critical skill in our interview.
Timestamps:
(00:00) Evals force you to get into your user's shoes
(03:42) 5 skills to build right now to become a great AI PM
(07:43) How curiosity leads to better AI products
(10:20) You can build AI without the job title
(17:00) A deep dive into why AI evals are so important
(24:53) Example of running evals for an AI customer support agent
(31:32) When humans need to be in the loop for evals
(35:46) How to get better at writing evals right now
(39:39) My personal prompt and eval for transcripts
(44:23) Catching the AI wave is alot like surfing
Get the takeaways: https://creatoreconomy.so/p/the-ai-skill-that-will-define-your-pm-career-aman-khan
Where to find Aman:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanberkeley/
Arize: https://arize.com/
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This is What Top 1% PMs Do Differently | Amit Fulay (VP Microsoft)
My guest today is Amit Fulay.
Amit is a product VP at Microsoft who previously spent 15 years building products like News Feed (Meta) and Google Meet (Google). In our interview, he reveals the three types of product leaders, how to build trust at each career stage, and what AI means for PMs. He also teaches a popular on leveling up from PM to influential product leader (get $100 off with this link).
Timestamps:
(00:00) The secret to building trust
(01:43) 3 distinct types of product leaders
(03:29) How to influence each type of leader
(09:29) Will AI kill traditional product management?
(16:02) How to build trust in each stage of your career
(20:16) Sunsetting your own without losing trust
(25:31) Speaking the truth to your management chain
(28:55) Inside how Satya Nadella fixed Microsoft
(32:41) What Amit wished he knew when he started as a PM
Get the takeaways: https://creatoreconomy.so/p/top-1-percent-product-leaders-do-this-amit-fulay
Where to find Amit:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/afulay/
Course: https://maven.com/amitfulay/toppmleader
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